We’ve all heard the saying, “Don’t judge a book by its
cover,” but that’s exactly what happens in our society.
Within seconds of meeting someone, our minds automatically
form our first impression of that person.
As a result of our tendency to judge a book by its cover,
people with NVLD are often misunderstood. Most people
have experienced the embarrassment of misreading social
cues, but for those with NVLD, this can be an ongoing and
chronic problem, and they may be misperceived as difficult,
rude, bossy, incompetent, clueless, lazy, or crazy. Changing
others’ perceptions is much harder for those with NVLD,
because their behavior does not match any visible sign of
deficits, thereby denying them the understanding they need
for a good first impression. Those misperceptions result in
missed opportunities and lost relationships.
Opening the Book
People who think, learn, and do things differently from the
majority of the population (neurotypicals, or NTs) because
of neurological differences are known as neurodivergent
(ND). Those with NVLD are therefore categorized as ND.
Since their appearance doesn’t indicate the discrepancy between
their exceptional verbal communication and their
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poor nonverbal communication (body language, facial expressions,
gestures, tone of voice) and performance difficulties,
people assume they are neurotypical.
NVLD may be the most overlooked, misunderstood,
misdiagnosed and misnamed learning disability. According
to “Estimated Prevalence of Nonverbal Learning Disability
among North American Children and Adolescents,” published
in the April 2020 issue of the Journal of the American
Medical Association (JAMA), between 2.2 and 2.9 million
children under the age of eighteen in the United States and
Canada may have NVLD. Moreover, as many as 50 percent
of them have received no diagnosis. Overlapping symptoms
and co-occurring disorders may cause those with NVLD to
be misdiagnosed as having ADHD or autism level 1 (a variant
of autism, formerly known as Asperger’s syndrome) and
therefore, NVLD is underdiagnosed. Marcia Rubinstein,
an education specialist in West Hartford, Connecticut, once
said that almost every child she saw with NVLD had first
been diagnosed with ADHD.
Despite the overlapping symptoms in all of these disorders,
the causes stem from differences in brain pathology that
distinguish one disorder from another. A nonverbal learning
disability is believed to be caused by damage, disorder,
or destruction of neuronal white matter in the brain’s right
hemisphere. In an article published on March 1, 1994,
Journal of Learning Disabilities, Michael C. S. Harnadek and
Bryan P. Rourke wrote that brain scans have identified that
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children with NVLD have smaller splenia than those with
high-functioning autism and ADHD. The splenium is a part
of the corpus callosum that connects the left and right hemispheres
of the brain and is vital for visual-spatial functioning.
NVLD typically shows up as a right-hemisphere weakness.
Adding to the confusion is disagreement among professionals
within the psychological and educational communities.
Since NVLD is not included in the Diagnostic
and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), it isn’t
recognized as an official disorder. The DSM is the bible of
mental disorders, used by professionals as a reference for descriptions,
symptoms, and criteria to make an official diagnosis
required for insurance reimbursement and approval of
special education services. But not all children and adults
fit into the same pattern. In other words, NVLD is not a
cookie-cutter diagnosis. The saying “When you’ve met one
person with autism, you’ve met one person” also applies to
those with NVLD.
NVLD is distinguished by both visual-spatial and nonverbal
communication skills deficits, according to experts at
the National Center for Learning Disabilities. The NVLD
Project’s website states that one defining criterion for the
condition is the presence of a discrepancy between perceptual
reasoning (formerly performance IQ) and verbal comprehension
(formerly verbal IQ), as measured by intelligence
tests. The VIQ-PIQ discrepancy is the single agreed-upon
feature necessary for a diagnosis of NVLD.
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Ray
Research has shown that, in this society, attractive
people are well-received and afforded more opportunities.
This was the case with Ray, one of my students
with NVLD. He was a beautiful child with perfectly
chiseled features. He was so good-looking his mother
was often told he could be a model. On first meeting
Ray, most people assumed that he was well-behaved
and neurotypical, making that assessment solely based
on his appearance. People did not expect him to behave
as he did. In fact, due to his appearance, they
expected more of him and were often confused by the
discrepancy between his appearance and his behaviors.
Because Ray is neurodivergent (ND), his literal interpretations,
hyperactivity, impulsivity, and lack of focus
caused him, at times, to unintentionally blurt out
blunt and tactless comments.
When we see someone in a wheelchair, we don’t hold
that person accountable for things they struggle with or cannot
do. Most of us understand they may need assistance and
alter our expectations accordingly. Wouldn’t it be crazy and
cruel to blame and reject a person for being unable to walk,
as if she is doing it on purpose? Yet Ray was identified as a
“spoiled brat” and his mother as a bad parent.
There is no such sign or visible evidence, like a wheelchair,
to account for NVLDers’ difficulties and socially
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awkward behaviors. The depression learned helplessness,
broken friendships, countless jobs, rejections, crippling
anxiety, and ongoing therapy with little to no results
would wear down anyone. They begin to doubt and blame
themselves and may question their sanity, wondering why
they are underestimated and misconstrued.
A Work in Progress
The NVLD Project, a nonprofit organization, is working
hard to bring about positive change and acceptance in
society for those with NVLD. They’ve funded researchers
from Columbia University to conduct the scientific research
needed to secure inclusion of NVLD in the DSM
(Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders).
As of this writing, a proposal has been submitted
to the DSM Steering Committee of the American Psychiatric
Association to include NVLD renamed as developmental
visual-spatial disorder (DVSD), in future
versions of the DSM diagnostic system. The consensus
diagnostic criteria set for DVSD was formulated with
input from experts in NVLD, learning disabilities, and
neurodevelopmental disorders.
I’m proud to be an ambassador for the NVLD Project,
helping to spread awareness by advocating for inclusion,
understanding, and treatment so that NVLDers
can become productive members of society and live
their best lives.
Visit the NVLD Project’s website (www.nvld.org) to
learn more about the disorder and to make a donation
to the organization. You can also donate to the NVLD
Project from my website at www.lindakaranzalis.com
Yes, We Speak!
The current name of this neurodevelopmental disorder is
a misleading term, as it implies people with NVLD don’t
speak. Parents, teachers, and therapists are often dumbfounded
when I’m talking about myself as someone who
has NVLD. “What do you mean? You can talk!” they say.
That may be one reason why some want to change NVLD
to developmental visual-spatial disorder.
NVLDers have exceptional vocabularies, expressive language,
and auditory memory. In fact, most have an impressive
range of knowledge in many different areas. It is often
virtually inconceivable to others that these individuals have
significant difficulties functioning day to day. Although having
average to superior verbal intelligence, NVLDers have
difficulties with visual-spatial processing, executive functioning
(planning and prioritizing), recognizing and processing
nonverbal social communication cues (facial expressions,
body language, tone of voice), academics, motor skills, social-
emotional learning, higher-order thinking (forming
conclusions from facts), and mathematical concepts.
Because of their significant difficulty processing nonverbal
communication, which often changes the speaker’s
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spoken message, they frequently make inaccurate conclusions
when communicating with others. This in turn
impacts their ability to effectively respond and express emotions,
opinions, intentions, and ideas within the context of
a conversation.
Danielle
Danielle cannot decipher others’ nonverbal communication
without asking clarifying questions. Danielle
doesn’t know it, but her coworkers call her “Ditsy Danielle”
behind her back. They think she just doesn’t listen.
People often feel she is challenging them and accuse her
of being difficult.
Her poor visual-spatial skills often cause her to invade
the personal space boundaries of others, which
makes them uncomfortable. Danielle is unable to operate
the office copying machine successfully because she
cannot decipher the pictorial troubleshooting icons to
fix paper jams and other malfunctions. To avoid embarrassment
by continually asking for help, she leaves the
machine as is and waits until someone else fixes it. Her
coworkers think she is lazy.
The 7-38-55 Percent Rule
Albert Mehrabian, Ph.D., a professor emeritus at UCLA,
published a book in 1971 called Silent Messages: Implicit Communication
of Emotions and Attitudes. In the book, he stated
that most people process and understand communication in
three ways: verbal (7 percent), nonverbal (55 percent), and
tone of voice and rate of speech (38 percent). That breakdown
became the gold standard for understanding human communication,
partly because it is an easy formula to remember.
Though his studies are quoted as expert opinion, Dr.
Mehrabian’s conclusions never made sense to me. In other
words, if it is true that 93 percent of communication is nonverbal,
you should be able to understand the meaning of a
movie or a play simply by observing the body language of
the actors without hearing the dialogue.
Dr. Mehrabian said these statistics do not mean that
body language and vocal variety is more important than
spoken words. These percentages apply only to emotions
and attitudes in the relationship between spoken words and
facial expressions and between two people when determining
whether they like or dislike one another. I see this difficulty
in my work. Many of my clients struggle to identify
how the person they are speaking to feels about them and
what they are saying. Being unable to discern this puts them
in the unfortunate position of not knowing how to respond
to others in a myriad of situations and relationships.
In my opinion, the research on how much communication
is verbal versus how much is nonverbal needs to be
redone. Dr. Mehrabian’s work was misunderstood and misapplied
and is still being incorrectly used by some professionals—
and not just those in the NVLD community. This
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isn’t to blame anyone, as there are so many sources that refer
to this research as the truth that the myth continues.
In 2014, Scott Rouse, a behavior analyst, and body language
expert who has trained professionals in the FBI, Secret
Service, US Military Intelligence, and the Department of
Defense presented a TEDx Talk called “How to Kill Your
Body Language Frankenstein (and Inspire the Villagers).”
Rouse believes that misinterpreted body language causes
problems with friends, family, and coworkers, and that’s why
we can’t apply the misinterpreted research of Dr. Mehrabian.
In the talk, Rouse illuminates why the standard methods
of interpreting body language can be misleading. For
example, most NTs assume that when the other person
crosses their arms across their chest, they are not open to
hearing what is being said to them when in fact, they may be
fascinated by the conversation, or they may just be cold. The
confusion doesn’t stop there for NVLDers, who may also be
unable to ascertain the other person’s motive.
Despite the overlap of shared symptoms, autism and
NVLD are not the same. NVLDers have impaired visual-
spatial processing, while those on the spectrum typically
have strengths in this area. Therefore, having the correct
diagnosis is imperative to receive appropriate intervention
services. Understandably, many with NVLD are diagnosed
as autistic to obtain educational and support services, but a
diagnosis of autism is insufficient to meet all of the needs of
those with NVLD.
Moreover, it may not apply at all: One research study,
“Epidemiology of Body Dysmorphic Disorder among Adolescents:
A Study of Their Cognitive Functions,” published
in the March 22, 2022, volume of Brain Behavior, found
that a significant percentage of people with body dysmorphic
disorder have distorted perceptions of their bodies because
they have visual-spatial processing deficits. The upshot: we
need more research to distinguish NVLD from other disorders
with the goal of developing interventions specifically for
NVLDers.
John
John doesn’t have any visible physical limitations, but
he’s on the autism spectrum. He has difficulty with eye
contact and expressing his emotions and speaks in a
monotone voice. Like many people on the spectrum,
John has an area of interest that he knows inside and
out: trains. He knows the entire New York City subway
system like the back of his hand and can tell you instantly
how to get to where you’re going. He talks about
trains frequently, but his communication is one-sided
and nonreciprocal, as though he is a professor giving a
lecture that no one cares to hear.
People usually tolerate his odd behaviors and do not
hold him accountable for his lack of knowledge of social-
emotional skills because his limitations are clear. In
his work with computers, he’s a virtual genius and makes
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a very good living. Sometimes when John gets overwhelmed,
he calms himself by “stimming” (self-stimulating
behaviors that usually involve repetitive movements
or sounds) and flapping his arms. He has learned how to
excuse himself and go to a quiet location where he can
calm down. Unlike Danielle, John has coworkers who
understand and accept him.
Billy
Over the years, I began to keep a journal about those students
who just didn’t seem to fit the labels they were assigned.
My intuition, along with my personal experiences,
led me to believe there was more to some of these students
than was meeting the eye—as was the case with me.
Billy was a student in my special education class. He
had a learning disability that caused him difficulties in
perceiving and processing information. He lagged behind
his peers in math and had trouble socializing with
his classmates.
One day during class, Billy was playing with something
under his desk. I couldn’t see what it was, but it was
capturing the interest of the students around him and interrupting
my lesson. I asked Billy to put away whatever
it was, and told him that he could share it with the class
during free time. It wasn’t long before Billy took it out of
his desk and began to sneakily show it to the other kids.
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Giving him the opportunity once again to redeem
himself, I said, “Billy, would you mind bringing me
whatever it is you have?” Billy said, “No, I don’t want to give it to you.”
Later, in private, I asked Billy why he said no when I
told him to bring it to me. He explained by saying that
I didn’t tell him to give it to me; I asked him to. I explained
to him that although I didn’t directly tell him
by the words I said, that was what I meant and that I
thought he knew that and, therefore, wasn’t following
my directions. Billy then said, as if he were the teacher
and I were the student, that I should have said that in
the first place!
Had this happened with another teacher, Billy
would have lost recess, been given after-school detention,
or have been sent to the principal’s office for giving
a fresh or smart-aleck response. I had a feeling that
Billy wasn’t looking for trouble or being intentionally
disruptive, even though that was his reputation with the
other teachers in the school. Since there had been similar
situations like this in the past with Billy, and this had
happened to me as a kid, I began to investigate further.
I discovered that Billy truly didn’t think he was disobeying
me. He was only able to understand the literal
meaning of the words. He could not understand by the
the tone of my voice, my gesture of pointing to what he
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was playing with, or my strong eye contact and facial
expressions that it wasn’t a choice, and I was expecting
him to bring the item to me. This is a classic example
of NVLD—being unable to understand the meaning of
verbal communication because of an inability to interpret
nonverbal communication.
Falling through the Cracks
Mallory’s daughter, Jackie, was diagnosed with NVLD in
grade school by a neuropsychologist, as some diagnosticians
do recognize NVLD, despite it not being in the DSM. Mallory,
being aware of the differences of opinions among professionals,
was careful in selecting a neuropsychologist for Jackie’s
upcoming reevaluation. In preparation, she interviewed several
professionals to find one who was in favor of confirming
Jackie’s NVLD diagnosis. Instead of receiving the expected
outcome, it was determined she did not have NVLD, and she
was diagnosed as being on the autistic spectrum.
Mallory was confused, so it was only natural for her to
question the results. The psychologist told her that when
she did make the diagnosis in the past, it was because, in her
previous workplace, she had been instructed to support and
acknowledge the diagnosis of NVLD in her evaluations. But
now, being in her private practice, she had the freedom to
make decisions on her own. She explained that, in her opinion,
NVLD doesn’t exist, as it’s not recognized in the DSM.
Unlike other learning disabilities, NVLD isn’t covered
under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act
(IDEA). So, even with a formal diagnosis, your child may
not qualify for an individualized education plan (IEP) or
504 plan from their school unless they have another diagnosis
or disability that is recognized. Mallory is in a catch-22
the situation, as she needs the NVLD diagnosis so the professionals
working with Jackie can better help her.
Despite the overlap in symptoms with autism, not all
of the same interventions would help, though some would.
However, if Mallory doesn’t accept the diagnosis of autism,
her daughter is in jeopardy of not receiving school services.
NVLD Checklists
The following lists identify the characteristics and deficits
common among children and adults with NVLD. Not everyone
will have all these difficulties, and some may even
excel in some of these areas. Keep in mind that this list isn’t
meant to be exhaustive. It is designed to help you identify
traits and patterns you have seen in your child or experienced
yourself. Check all the characteristics that apply to
you or your child.
Providing a copy of this checklist and the results of the
quizzes to a diagnostician can be helpful. A comprehensive
neuropsychological assessment by a skilled clinician experienced
in NVLD is the only way to receive a diagnosis—so
any information you can provide the clinician is important.
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Visual-Spatial and Motor Skills
• knowing where your body is in relation to spaces
and surroundings
• identifying where objects are in relation to each other
in the environment
• using fine motor skills, such as cutting with scissors,
tying shoes, and handwriting
• bumping into things or getting hurt easily
• visually discriminating and finding objects in front
of you
• coordinating movements and following sequenced
dance or exercise steps
• being labeled “clumsy” or always getting in the way
• invading others’ personal space by standing too close
• getting lost when driving or finding your way
around in buildings
• learning how to drive
• judging far and near distances
• catching and throwing a ball
• swimming and riding a bike
• opening doors with locks
• using hands-on equipment
• eating with utensils
• falling out of chairs and furniture
• walking a straight line
• playing sports
• writing legibly
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• interpreting charts and graphs
• understanding concepts
• visualizing
• knowing left from right
• telling time on an analog clock
• discriminating between objects and shapes
• completing puzzles
• identifying differences between objects
• remembering images
Academics
• solving math problems
• counting on fingers
• counting by odd or even numbers
• counting money and making change
• confusing visual signs (e.g., add, subtract, multiply,
divide)
• copying from the board
• reading comprehension
• organization of writing
• critical or higher-order thinking
Social-Emotional Communication and Behavior
• interpreting tone of voice and identifying sarcasm
• oversharing
• recognizing when someone is leading you on
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• recognizing nonverbal cues (facial expressions, body
language, emotions, posture)
• needing to verbally label information in order to
understand it
• exhibiting unintentionally inappropriate behavior
• reciprocal communication
• having rigid, inflexible thinking
• understanding how you present yourself to others
• generalizing social information and concepts for a
variety of situations
• social problem-solving and repairing relationships
• looking to others for affirmation
• experiencing bullying
• understanding jokes
• interpreting figurative language, such as metaphors,
idioms, and hyperbole
• comprehending implied meanings and reading between
the lines
• getting along with others
• struggling with mental health, including depression,
anxiety, and co-occurring conditions
• asking too many questions, to the point of being repetitive
or interrupting the regular flow of conversation
• overreacting
• finding transitions and changes challenging
• expressing thoughts in blunt, tactless language
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• Executive Functioning
• organizing and planning
• prioritizing
• managing time
• initiating tasks
• adjusting behavior to unexpected or novel situations
• controlling and regulating emotions
• focusing
• using working memory
NVLD Strengths
Typically, those with NVLD have the following strengths in
common:
• verbal intelligence
• verbal expression
• rote memory
• fluency in reading
• spelling
• broad range of information and knowledge
• strong vocabulary
• empathy
• public speaking
• research
Parent Screening: Could Your Child Have NVLD?
Answer “yes” or “no” to the following questions:
1. Does your child socialize better with kids who are
younger or older than his or her age?
2. Does your child become upset and say, “That’s not what
you said,” and insist you said something else?
3. Does your child believe what others say as the truth?
Is your child gullible, easily led, naive, or incapable of
dishonesty?
4. Do you find yourself saying to your child, “I know that’s
what I said, but this is what I meant”?
5. Does your child interpret words at “face value” (i.e., literally)?
Is your child unable to read between the lines?
6. Does your child have exceptional verbal skills but not
always understand the meanings of words?
7. Does your child read fluently but struggle to comprehend
and answer questions about what he or she read?
8. Does your child come off as rude, self-centered, inflexible,
or bossy to others?
9. Are your child’s social-emotional skills or maturity level
below his or her age level?
10. Do you or others become frustrated by your child’s
seemingly endless barrage of questions?
11. Does your child have trouble making or keeping friends?
12. Does your child experience bullying, or is he or she excluded
by peers?
13. Does your child tend to learn about activities and birthday
parties after the fact, not having been invited?
14. Does your child struggle with knowing when someone
is joking or being sarcastic?
15. Does your child have trouble using scissors, zippers, and
buttons or with writing, tying shoes, or participating in
sports?
16. Does your child become upset with new environments,
teasing, or changes in schedule?
17. Is your child blunt, honest to a fault, or unaware of
hurting someone’s feelings? Does your child know what
is inappropriate to say to others?
18. Does your child have “all or nothing thinking” or see
things as only black or white?
19. Does your child have trouble understanding any of
the following: slang, abstract concepts, idioms, tone of
voice, body language, or facial expressions?
20. Does your child struggle to manage social situations?
21. Does your child struggle with balance, coordination,
bumping into and dropping things, dancing, learning
how to swim or ride a bike, or participating in sports?
22. Does your child have trouble reading body language,
facial expressions, gestures, or tone of voice?
23. Does your child isolate themselves from others?
24. Does your child read or do other activities when with
others to avoid social interactions?
25. Does your child struggle with math?
26. Does your child have trouble writing on the lines?
27. Does your child have difficulty with thinking and comprehending
beyond factual information?
If you answered yes to seven or more of these questions, you may
want your child to be evaluated for NVLD.
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NVLD Screening for Adolescents and Adults:
Could You Have NVLD?
Answer each question without overthinking it. Circle the answer
that best applies.
1. Do you get the details but have trouble putting them
together to understand the big picture?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
2. Do you get lost easily or rely on GPS even to go to a
place you have been before?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
3. Do you have difficulties reading maps or interpreting
diagrams, graphs, or charts?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
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4. Do you have difficulty with math skills and concepts?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
5. Do you overshare personal information?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
6. Do you give too many details or explain too much when
talking to someone?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
7. Do you need to ask a lot of questions to understand
what people are saying?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
8. Do others become annoyed with you for asking too
many questions?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
9. Do others tell you that you don’t listen or to stop interrupting
them?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
10. Do you bump into people or objects, drop things, or get
hurt easily?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
11. Do you feel you are easily led or gullible?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
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12. Do you get upset when others tease you?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
13. Do you have difficulty learning how to play cards or
board games?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
14. Do you have difficulty with any of the following: using
scissors, fixing or operating equipment/household items,
buttoning, zipping, or breaking things unintentionally?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
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15. Do you struggle or did it take you longer than others to
learn how to swim, ride a bike, participate in sports, or
walk in a straight line?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
16. Do you nod your head to convey you are understanding
what others are saying when, in fact, you don’t
understand?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
17. Do others say you take things too literally or think differently?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
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18. Do you find it difficult to organize your thoughts when
writing?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
19. Do you read fluently but struggle to answer questions
about or comprehend what you have you read?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
20. Do you pretend to understand jokes and laugh, even
when you don’t get them?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
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21. Do you struggle with handwriting?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
22. Do you have trouble making friends or have trouble
keeping them?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
23. Do you feel you are excluded from social activities?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
24. Do you have social anxiety or depression?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
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25. Do you have difficulty with thinking and comprehending
beyond factual information?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
26. Do you seek approval and direction from others?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
27. Do you have trouble recognizing and understanding
nonverbal communication cues (facial expressions,
body language, emotions, posture)?
• very often
• often
• sometimes
• rarely
• never
If you answered “very often” nine or more times, you may want
to be evaluated for NVLD.
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